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apparently, he called trump. >> i predict the new york post will be covering this who called whom question for the foreseeable future. >> like dating or something. i don't know. okay, that does it for us this morning, doesn't it? it does, right? we're done, right? thank you for your patience. exactly. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thank you for your patience. >> thanks so much. i'm stephanie ruhle. we have breaking news across the world. terror attack, a truck rams into a christmas market in berlin. >> missed me by three meters. i saw one guy being dragged away with blood on his face. >> 12 people are dead, 50 injures local media now reporting they may have captured the wrong man. also breaking, shots fired at the u.s. embassy in turkey, the gunman arrested. one day after this stunning scene. >> the ambassador assassinated and this morning, there is
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fallout. >> on guard here, security ramped up across major cities in the u.s. amid fears an attack could happen on u.s. soil. how vulnerable are we? and it is the president-elect versus the former president. donald trump firing back at bill clinton after president clinton slams him in a local interview. plus, yet another billionaire added to the trump administration. >> we're going to begin with the string of violent attacks that have shaken cities across the world from the truck attack in berlin to the brazen assassination in turkey, to the shooting at a swiss mosque. there's real fear that more attacks could be on the way. in this country, heavily armed police have stepped up security in a number of cities, including new york city, boston, and chicago. we have the best team in the business with us this morning. helping you understand. i want to start with nbc's anne thompson, live in berlin. we're hearing from local media, maybe police got the wrong guy? >> reporter: well, there's all
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kinds of confusion here in berlin this morning, stephanie. over just who it is that police have in custody. they arrested a 23-year-old pakistani refugee last night, several minutes after the attack occurred. they arrested him close to the site of the attack. and then this morning, the interior minister, who is a member of the federal government here in germany, gave a press conference describing this young man and saying that he had denied any kind of responsibility for this attack. as that press conference was going on, a report came out from one of germany's newspapers quoting a senior police source as saying they have the wrong man, and it's time to start over. so things are confused. the 23-year-old pakistani refugee, to the best of our knowledge, is still in police custody. we have heard nothing further since. but there is that confusion going on. what is -- what is more clear this morning is that german
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officials right up to chancellor angela merkel assume that this was a terror attack that happ happened at this christmas market last night. a truck, a semitruck drove through the christmas market killing 12 people, injuring 48. 18 of them are still in very serious condition today. and the investigation continues. berlin police just an hour or so ago tweeted out, reminder berliners to stay vigilant, be aware, and as new yorkers certainly know and americans across the country, if you see something, say something. but here in berlin, as has happened in nice, in dallas, in all kinds of cities that have experienced terror, certainly boston and new york, there is a determination today that what happened here last night will not affect their lives going forward. they remembered the victims today. the christmas markets are closed. but they are determined to go on with their lives. stephanie. >> we're showing you right now live pictures, german chancellor
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angela merkel touring the site. she's at the christmas mart where the truck attack took place yesterday. again, investigations are going on, and it's a confusing, almost chaotic time. we're going to focus on that in a minute, but i want to take you to turkey where new and fierce reaction is pouring in after russia's ambassador was shot dead at an art exhibit in ankara and it was all caught on video. i want to warn you, the images you're about to see are graphic and some viewers may find them disturbing. >> nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel is live in istanbul. what more have you learned about the gunman? >> reporter: a memorial is under way right now as the ambassador's remains are being repatriated to moscow. a team of investigators from russia have arrived here.
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turkey and russia have vowed to work together to get to the bottom of this. and just a short while ago, turkish security officials said that it does not seem in his estimation that the gunman was operating alone. that the attack was well planned, well executed, and he did not think that this was the work of a single amateur. what happened last night was the russian ambassador was at a typical diplomatic function, the opening of a russian-sponsored photography exhibit. he was delivering his opening statements, and then just moments into his remarks, a security guard, we now know he was an actual riot police officer, off duty at the time, pulled out his pistol and shot the ambassador in the back. and then made the statement that you pyed a short while ago, yelling to the assembled crowd, including journalists, that this was -- he had sworn allegiance
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to the jihadi movement. he didn't specifically name a group. just said we are those who pledge our alelegiance to mohammed and the jihad. he said don't forget aleppo, don't forget syria, and said this was carried out in order to punish russia for its contribution in the military assault on aleppo and other parts of syria. there have been several arrests here, as they are trying to find out more about the gunman who was shot dead by police on the scene. some of his family members had been detained and some of his associates. >> richard, quickly, before we go, can you connect the dots? not long after the assassination, a different man opened fire near the entrance to the u.s. embassy. what have you learned about that? >> reporter: well, it's hard to connect the dots because the incident at the u.s. embassy is still somewhat confusioningconf. an older gentleman carrying a
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shot gone went to the embassy, tried to get in, was not able to. the embass a was closed. it's heavily secured, and fired eight rounds, according to turkish media, in the air, before he was arrested by turkish police. his motivation, however, is not clear at this stage. unclear if it was related to the assassination of the russian ambassador or if this was someone who was just enraged by what he saw and decided that he wanted to take some sort of unorganized and ineffective action. >> all right, richard, stay safe. for more on all of this, i want to bring in terrorism analyst evan kohlmann, and ryan shill coat, who has been covering russia, europe, and the middle east i years. evan, i want to start with you. berlin, this has all the hallmarks of being terror related. when you look at this, knowing limited information, do you think isis, isis-inspired, al qaeda? >> sure, if you look at this, the first thought that comes to mind is what happened in nice.
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the bastille day attack that obviously was isis and was so dramatic. but there are some important points to make here. number one, we're not sure whether or not we have the right suspect. we don't really know who did this or why. it certainly looks like it was intentional, looks like terrorism, but we don't know why. what's more important is there has been no statement from isis. neither a claim of responsibility, a news report, isis has had absolutely nothing about this incident. and isis, the media wing of isis, even under the amount of stress and pressure they're under right now inside of iraq and syria, they more than have the capability to talk about this if they wanted to. the question is why not? are they waiting for more details? are they trying to protect the identity of the person that carried this out? or perhaps they weren't behind this at all. perhaps this was just isis-inspired. perhaps it was another group. we have to be careful here. people have been very quick to jump to conclusions about the identity of the attacker, the relationship of refugees to this attack. we really don't know yet.
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we have been very, very careful about jumping to those conclusions. last week, we saw a plot inside germany involving a 12-year-old boy, who was born in germany. he was descent from iraqi parents, but he was german. let's be careful about identifyiidentify i ing who did this and why, until we have at least the real culprit and we're confident of that. >> in terms of confident of that, we're getting local reports that maybe the wrong man was arrested yesterday. we're looking at images right now of angela merkel at the site. they're trying to figure out what is going on here. the fact that maybe it is the wrong man they have arrested, what do you think forces are doing now? >> well, so what they need to do is sort of go to the objective evidence. look at fingerprints, maybe get some dna. because that's sort of the biological proof, if you will, of who was behind it. i mean, the issue of immigrants, refugees in germany, is highly politically charged. it's going to be a major issue throughout the year.
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ere's going to be an election. it may bow what topples angela merkel. >> she has been criticized for having loose immigrant policies. >> if you look at all of europe, you would say angela merkel has the most support. she'll be the last to fall, but this is really a challenge to her. you're going to see the police, the german chancellor, carefully saying we don't know exactly who is behind this just yet. and going out of their way to make sure that the evidence that they act on is evidence that is objectively verifiable, that it's based on dna, based on fingerprints, based on eyewitnesses before they go sweeping through refugee communities, if you will. >> evan, turkey, berlin, switzerland. for those of us in cities right here in the u.s., i mean, i was at the bryant park christmas mart four days ago. what can police do to protect their cities at a time like this, when the thanksgiving day parade came, new york city buckled down? >> yeah, look, we can always put up barriers and always try to put more police in the street. there's a couple realities here,
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though. first of all, it's almost impossible to stop lone wolf terrorists. people who choose to do this on their own without any direction from above, trying to stop someone from jumping in a truck and crashing into a christmas market is almost impossible. things like that may inevitably happen. i think it's also important for us to put this into context. these are not attacks that are undermining democracy. right? these are not undermining the rule of law. these things are very tragic. they're very sad when they happen. but isis is not winning because of these attacks happening. it's also important to put these attacks in context, which is that they're not all linked together, and they're not all isis. the shooting that took place in zurich, that was targeting an islamic center. according to swiss authority, there's no indication whatsoever that the individual in switzerland, the culprit behind the attack, had anything to do with isis. he might not have even been a muslim. i think we see these different acts of terrorism, these acts of violence, and it's frightening,
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especially around this time of year. but when you start scratching at the surface, i think you start realizing this isn't some giant conspiracy, this isn't by design. these are random acts of violence and we should be thankful that so far security forces, not just in this country, but around the world, have prevented something much more serious from taking place. >> thank you so much for helping us break down really some extraordinary breaking news today. not good news. >> we'll have more on this coming up. who do american intelligence agencies believe are behind the attack? a congressman joins us with details. >> then, a member of the trump transition team on the president-elect's plan to combat terrorism. plus, add on yet another billionaire to the trump administration. get this, the grand total net worth of the trump team now tops $10 billion. who is this man and what's he going to be do? that's coming up.
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local german media is speculating that police may have arrested the wrong man in the berlin truck attack. but so far, the only person to get arrested is a pakistani asylum seeker, and officials also launched a raid at a refugee shelter in berlin just hours after the attack. so will this attack raise new fears about migrant policies in europe? maybe here in the u.s.? we're going to talk now to illinois republican congressman adam kinsinger. thank you for joining me this morning. clearly, so much news out there, turkey, berlin, switzerland. in terms of berlin, do we know any more about who could be behind this? >> no, no more than what you're reporting. obviously, there's a lot of speculation, i think it's probably pretty safe to assume, but when you assume, you can always get some things wrong, that this is probably an isis
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plot or some kind of a ho home-grown radical terrorist. the thing we need to keep in mind is whether it's directed by albaghdadi of isis himself, whether it's a home inspired plot. the fact is the mere existence of isis in this proposed caliphate and this idea that this is the next coming of the muslim religion in essence, the radical muslim religion, has to be destroyed because that's what's motivating people to this action. i don't know any more tha you are do, but the germans are very good at finding this out and they're going to get to the bottom of it. >> if a migrant is at the bottom of this attack, do you believe it's going to reignite refugee fears. president-elect trump has called for a muslim ban and there's confusion on what a muslim ban means. >> it could. i hope not. america is one of the most generous countries in general when it comes to resettlement efforts. my district in rockford, illinois, is one of the top for
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resettlement. there are seriously amazingly good people who find themselves in an unfortunate situation. i think the broader picture is this. instead of having this situation in the middle east where people are forced to leave their homes, go to europe, go to anywhere else, we need to fix the problem there. and that's going to start with safe zones in syria, allowing people to return to their home country, building kind of a government that's going to come along after assad or in the ungoverned spaces. so fixing this problem in the middle east, i think, is essential right now. otherwise, this clash of cultures, which really it is in europe, is going to only continue and probably grow in terms of hostility. >> congressman, that's a great goal, and one that would be great if we could execute in the future. in terms of now, if you look at what just happened in germany, given the liberal, really refugee policies they have had, are we going to look at germany and say this was a mistake? angela merkel made a mistake in terms of how she handled refugees? >> that's going to be up to the german people. for me, you know, i look at it
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and say when you just open the doors and say anybody is welcome here and we have very liberal screening policies, liberal with a small "l" and very basely just let anybody in, you're going to find yourself in a situation where even if 99.9% of the refugees coming are great people that want to do well, the .1% are the types that may drive a truck into a christmas gathering or anything like that. so this is up to the german people to determine. i think the broader point, though, is look, they have to have security there. it's creating this rise of these parties in europe that i think are going to be ultimately detrimental and dangerous. and the medium to long term, we have to fix this problem in the middle east or it's only going to continue. it's tragic for the people who live there. >> president-elect trump has said he's got a secret plan, just yesterday he sai straight out of the gate, he wants to eradicate terrorism. president obama would also like to have eradicated terrorism. he wasn't able to do that. come january 20th, should we
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expect sweeping changes in our anti-terror policies? >> it's going to be hard to tell. like i think -- i haven't heard a lot of details from the president-elect. i will tell you that tough talk is actually for me kind of refreshing. so i think when it comes to isis, it took president obama a long time to recognize that threat was rising. he just admitted that even recently. while the campaign we're doing right now is actually making some progress, it took a couple years to get to this point. tough talk is important, but the key is, you know, talk tough about eradicating and destroying terrorism. that's important. but not painting all of the muslim religion with a broad brush. they're a very moderate, very good muslims we need to win the war. all you have to do is look at jordan, united arab emirates, some of those countries to go we can't win this on an island. we have to win with allies. we have moderate muslims who are the biggest allies to us. >> thank you so much. i appreciate you sharing your thoughts. >> anytime. take care. >> up next, clinton versus
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trump, again. this one, a war of words between donald trump and bill clinton. we're going to tell you what started it all. >> before we go, get your tissues ready. this is beautiful. if you didn't love notre dame enough, because i do, following a win, notre dame junior guard matt ferrell's brother, beau ferrell, read a special message on the video board at the game. but beau was in the arena to surprise his family two months before he was scheduled to return home from afghanistan. all finished.
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good morning. you're watching msnbc. i'm stephanie ruhle. we're talking donald trump. he's taking on former president bill clinton on twitter. quote, bill clinton stated that i called him after the election. wrong. he called me, with a very nice congratulations. he doesn't know much. the president-elect's response comes after clinton spoke about the electionn front of a crowd that included a local newspaper
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reporter. nbc's kristen welker joins me live from palm beach, florida. kristen, lay this out for us. it's a surprise. >> reporter: well, this is turning into a bitter back and forth, steph. there's no doubt about that. as you point out, these remarks first printed in a local new york paper, let me read you some of them, according to the paper, bill clinton said he received a phone call from trump on the day after the election, and that the manhattan billionaire was strangely cordial, like it was 15 years ago. so you heard donald trump taking exception to that. but these were president clinton's most fiery remarks. he reportedly said, president-elect donald trump doesn't know much. former president bill clinton said, but one thing he does know is how to get angry white men to vote for him. so there's still a lot of tensions between these former friends, and it underscores just how heated this campaign got. and of course, it all comes against the backdrop of the current commander in chief, president obama, saying now it's time to lower the temperature,
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for all sides to focus on a smooth transition. >> i also want to talk about trump transition. we learn president-elect trump has tapped really successful business guy vincent viola for secretary of the army. what do we know about him? ca >> reporter: we know a couple things. he's yet another billionaire in the trump cabinet. he's also someone who is the former ceo of virtue financial. the former chairman of the new york mercantile exchange. the founder of combatting terrorism at central west point. that was founded in the wake of september 11th. he's also the former owner of the florida panthers. he's got a pretty broad base of experience. there's been so much talk about draining the swamp. this is one more person who is a billionaire and who could feed into that narrative that you hear from president-elect trump's critics that he's not draining the swamp. he's just filling his cabinet with more billionaires like himself. >> was he draining -- hold on, wasn't draining the swamp to
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stop having the washington elite there? that's not what vincent viola is? >> you're absolutely right. a lot of donald trump's supports would make that exact argument, put the counterpoint to that is can a number of billionaires have the sort of ability to help middle class americans? the same people who donald trump spoke to throughout his campaign, and that's the real question mark. i think that's why some of these picks have been a little bit controversial, but again, steph, if all these folks are confirmed, and that's still an if, the question is going to be, how do they perform? that will be the real test. >> i know who has a few question marks and probably some exclamation points. elizabeth warren. when the former head of a high frequencely trading operation gets a position. we have to take a brick. why germany? the country has been more than welcoming to muslim refugees. so why are terrorists targeting them.
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welcome back. you're watching msnbc. i'm stephon reel. it's time now for your morning primer, everything you need to know to get your day started. we begin in berlin where police are investigating the deadly terror attack. they say they may have arrested the wrong man. the attack killed 12 people and injured 50 others who were attending a christmas market. turkish police have daine a man who fired shots in front of the u.s. embassy in ankara. no one was hurt. it happened hours after a turkish policeman assassinated russia's ambassador to turkey. >> mass evacuations are under way in aleppo, syria, pro-government forces are threatening to storm remaining rebel-held enclaves. they estimate some 25,000 people have fled the besieged city since a cease-fire deal was reached last week. >> and president obama pardoned 78 people and shortened sentences for another 153 in the biggest single day of klemm nlsy by any president.
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the president has now pardoned 148 people and shortened sentences of over 1,000, including hundreds serving life sentences. >> rock and roll hall of fame announces its new class. joan bae, z, journey, tupac shakur, and the band yes. i love them all. they'll all be inducted in april. >> and president-elect trump has been weighing in on the attacks in europe and asia, warning that things are only, quote, getting worse. anthony scar muchy is a member of president trump's transition team executive committee and also a manager partner at skybridge capital. good morning. the president-elect references isis and islamic terrorists. he called it an attack on christians. we haven't heard this from anyone else. does he know this for sure? >> i think he's speaking very broadly, specifically on that attack. obviously, some christians were killed. but i think more broadly, i
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think what we're discovering is that there is a war on christianity going on in that triangle known as isis. that sort of caliphate stretch between iraq and syria. obviously, the pope is upset about that as well, stephanie, so i am not going to overly draw too much religious context to it. at the end of the day, this is unimaginable terror. stuff that has to be stopped. the western societies and the western governments have to come together here and to reject and to demallish these people because, particularly around the holidays, this is nonsensical. i know my heart goes out to the families and i know the president-elect has expressed this as well. through twitter. but also in general, and in his public and private remarks. we're very sorry to hear about this. but we now need to do things to prevent more families from having this sort of situation, this sort of tragedy in their lives. >> what kind of things?
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donald trump's secret plan or the muslim ban? >> no, i don't think there's any secret plan. i know we have walked back from the muslim ban. but i do think that we need to fortify areas around syria. we need to, i think, deepen our intelligence connectivity, restore that with our allies, and we have to be unafraid to act in certain ways to stop the terror. so there's been a general reluctancy in the last two years of the obama administration to really reject it. i don't think they like calling it radical islamic rrorism, which it actually is. and so i think there's a number of things we're going to be doing from january 20th, the first 100 days, that i think will give people a better sense of safety and more security. >> do you think in those first 100 days we're going to see sweeping changes in terms of how we address just foreign policy in general? >> well, listen.
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i'm going to leave that up to the secretary of state designee to talk about that, but i think the in general thing that the president-elect has said repeatedly is that we really need to refortify our alliances. we have a lot of common interests with people around the world, particularly in the rejection of terror and the fight against terrorism. and i think you'll find that people that have been traditionally adversaries of ours as it relates to certain areas of the world, we have common interests. i think the president working alongside of his national security team, and the secretary of state, is going to make that outreach globally, and i think it's going to surprise people because there's a very high level of pragmatism from the president of the united states that he's going to interject into these meetings. >> i want to ask about russia's connection to u.s. hacking. last week you suggested that president-elect trump is coming around to the idea that russia was behind it, saying that he
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needed time to digest the intelligence. do you think he's closer to accepting that idea at this point, that russia is to blame? >> yeah, listen, like i did say last week to andrea mitchell. i'm going to let the president-elect speak about that directly when he's ready. i know there's a press conference that he's planning to talk about the business. that specific issue, and other issues. i think what we're more sore about last week was the notion that this delegitimized the election, which in fact it did not. even president obama said as much in his last press conference last week. i think what the president-elect was a little miffed about last week was the notion that there was some delegitimization, which in fact he won the election fair and square. he won the electoral college vote yesterday. he's going to be the 45th president of the united states, and i think he's sending a message to everybody, which i know you're hearing and other people are hearing. a message of unification, and let's put the country together, let's forget about what side we
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were on during the campaign and the election. let's focus on that. as it relates specifically to russia, i'm going to let him speak about that because i think it's just more appropriate for him to do that rather than me. >> you mentioned he's planning a press conference. can you speak to when that's going to be because it seems that donald trump gets his messages out there, when he cancelled having the press conference to talk about what he was going to do with his business, he looked like he got all the information out that he wanted to, but what he doesn't have to do is answer questions. the press conference you speak about, when exactly is he going to do that? >> well, listen, here's what i learned about the president-elect working for him for the last seven months. is that he's a very precise, very detail oriented guy. and i think he wants to make that press conference happen when he has all of the answers to all of the types of questions that he's going to get thrown. >> if he's a detail-oriented guy, how does this statement that we have been hearing for months, don't take him literally, take him seriously. make sense? because that's sort of the
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opposite. >> no, no, don't take him literally, take him symbolically. see -- >> it was seriously. >> what you should definitely take him seriously because he's a man of his word, but i think some of the things that happen with the media is when he's sending out tweets or speaking in a certain way that sets the hair on fire of the nation's media, particularly the left-leaning media. i think his supporters see that more as symbolism and a rejection of sort of that egg and tomato throwing he's experienced from june of 2015 when he announced his campaign. >> anthony, my hair isn't on fire by any means. it's more we have so many -- >> not your hair, stephanie. you have very nice hair. >> i appreciate that. as do you. >> there are some people who do get a little crazy with the president-elect. >> part of that could be, anthony, because he puts himself in a position where he gets to put all of his information out and doesn't have to answer any questions. so to just say the media, people's hair on fire, i think there's some level of
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accountability. you know, he is going to be the president of the united states. we want him to answer questions. >> stephanie, he's the most skrultinized person in the world. he's putting a cabinet together, which is a remarkable cabinet. we're ahead of schedule. it's on time. it's ahead of budget. all of those things that he likes as a real estate developer. >> i have to end all interviews if you go on talking points, on schedule, ahead of time. that means i have to end it. >> you and i talk a lot. i didn't come with talking points. look at my hands. nothing in front of me. i speak very extemporaneously on television. not talking points at all. i'm saying something you probably don't like, is that he's the most scrutinized person in the world, and so a result of which when that press conference comes, my guess is he's going to have nine and ten derivative like questions and he wants to be ready for it. that's why he delayed it, which i think is a sign of his great temperament and great judgment.
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is that a talking point, too? >> it is not a talking point. but you can't really say stephanie you're not going to like this, because guess what. i look forward to that conference and i hope i have an opportunity to ask him a question. >> i hope you come to trump tower and i'll make sure you get called on. >> merry christmas. we're going to take a break. next, the terror attack in germany. 12 dead, 50 injures and new questions about whether they have the right suspect. is isis behind the attack?
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what we have seen in previous attacks, particularly that in nice back in the celebration in july. all of the officials in terms of those statements coming out of the united states have suggested this is a terrorist attack. the investigation at least from what we're hearing from berlin officials and german officials is it probably is a terrorist attack. in terms of whether it was directed by isis, whether its this individual, whoever it may be, was somehow transplanted by the terror organization into germany, that remains to be seen. we don't know that yet. i think what it really underscores is the vulnerability and the fear that we have in western societies that some of the soft targets, the public gathering spaces and the crudeness of this, the fact it was a vehicle, a truck used by an individual to kill these people, shows how vulnerable some of these soft targets are. so it's almost insignificant whether it's isis-directed or isis-coordinated as opposed to just somebody inspired by what they're seeing and disgruntled by it. >> it's that exact vulnerability that has so many of us scared.
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i said it earlier. i was at a christmas market in new york city four days ago with my kids. you have said to me that you believe the assassination in turkey is more significant. >> in terms of the geopolitics of what is unfolding, i believe the ankara attack, the attack on the russian ambassador, was a lile more significant. it shows that here you have the security guard, or security officer, somebody who was obviously vetted and trained by the turkish authorities. it highlights the vulnerability of their security apparatuses and strains their relationship between turkey and russia. they're sending the signals they don't want this to affect their relationship, but they're on opposite sides of the conflict in syria. so when you kill an ambassador the way they did, i think it undermines the sense of vulnerability that diplomats have in the region, and it shows you how individuals who are watching what is happening in aleppo and neighboring syria can become deranged by despair and lash out in the ways they're doing that. and if you see this spill over in the ways that we're seeing it in places like turkey, who are
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facing all kinds of security challenges, i think that undermines more of a geopolitical concern than just purely security concern like what we're seeing in germany. >> ayman, thank you for sharing your thoughts. troubling times. coming up, bill clinton unplugged. blaming james comey for his wife's loss. he had harsh words for the president-elect. and donald trump, surprise, surprise, firing back this morning. but did bill clinton go too far first. >> i want you to take a look at this. markets have been open for about 15 minutes and we're seeing it -- here we go. actually moving up just a bit this morning. somewhat of a surprise given the attacks yesterday. usually when there's a shock around the world, you see a shock to the market, but the markets seem to be hanging in there. world ugly and messy. they are the natural born enemy of the way things are. s, ideas are scary, and messy
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welcome back. time now to talk about the stories you are going to be talking about today. from president clinton browsing books and talking trump, to an international recording artist pulling out of the presidential
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inauguration. joining me now to wrestle these stories to the ground, new york daily news columnist and msnbc contributor mike lupica and business insider josh to start clinton, let me break it down for you quickly. a newspaper reporter captured his conversation with supporters at a local bookstore in west chester. someone asked if he was surprised russia was surprii be cyber attacks, and that james comey cost her the election. i realize these are tense and upsetting times, but should the stormer president of the united states be weighing in like this? he went on to say donald trump knew how to get angry white guys to vote for him.
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hillary clinton got in trouble for saying deplorables. >> like any very close election. you can identify things that if they went differently. also if she never set up a private e-mail server, she might have one. if bill clinton had not gotten on the stupid plane, maybe jim comey would not have felt like he needed to get out in front. you should spend less time being upset about the unfair things that caused you to lose. focus more on what they did to lose to an unfit candidate like trump. >> at that bookstore, did he need to turn the page? >> no, we reached a point where
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it looks like we need to chloroform the clintons to get them to stop talking. i had a sprend that got i said yould finish with the media one day. don't say that thing. you're going to end up on the frong or the back page of the paper. don't talk to the presence when you want -- nobody cares any more. seriously. nobody cares. everybody has gone home now. stop explaining away because they're reasons should more like excuses. >> this case county just upset the country, it caused international uproar. the stanford swimmer brock
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turner, who was given a sentence of sixth months for sexually assaulting an unconcious woman. people were very angry with what the verdict was. >> how can you have a judge that no woman would ever, ever, ever want this case tried in front of again. go back and look at the victim's 12 page statement. and then the father of brock turner that says my son doesn't want to eat steak any more he is so sad. somewhere between six months and six years. this woman was on conscious. i'm the father of a teenager
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daughter, i might look at this a little differently. does this mean his career is over as a judge? you can't have a judge that can only hear some of the cases some of the time. >> what precedent does it set judge vs. discretion about sentencing for very good reasons and sometimes they may bad decisions. it doesn't mean they should be officially punished for using their discretion in a way that we would not try to get them done. i think it has led to a bad place. there is increased. i don't think brox turner was sentenced for too long. judges might say i need to hand down a really big sentence.
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wait -- >> this was a hideous decision. >> according to page six, andre ya bocelli pulled out of the inauguration ceremony. donald trump was the bigger man and he suggested bocelli not participate because of the backlash. do you think trump picked up the phone and said this twitter hating that you're getting, just stay home. idina menzel said maybe donald trump should performance. >> we think maybe the guys from "duck dynasty" could form a quartet.
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until this guy runs this country, you have to give him some kind of chance without crewicre screwing up -- >> one of the reasons that trump took that meeting with kanye is he was hoping to talk kanye into performing. we're going to take a break and next we'll go back to berlin as ne details continue to emerge from last night's deadly truk attack. any minute now, new charges for the flint water crisis. drastically. ♪ i tried hard to quit smoking. ♪ but when we brought our daughter home that was it. ♪ now i have nicoderm cq. the nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release technology helps prevent your urge to smoke all day. it's the best thing that ever happened to me.
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welcome back. right now on msnbc, holiday attack. heightened security across europe and here in the u.s. after a truck barrels into a christmas market in berlin,
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questions about whether or not authorities arrested the wrong man. will russian retaliate. today the entire region is on high alert. and could the gender of your doctor be a matter of life or death? we have the results of a stunning new study. we have breaking news and what angela merkel is calling a terror attack. a truck was used as a weapon plowing into a christmas market. >> it went right past me and my girlfriend. >> it was right through is, crashing through people, crashing through the huts, it pulled the lights down. >> one person in the truck was killed and another man arrested. we got another


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